I was going through all of your retreats and The raving reviews that everyone is talking about all the retreats raving, raving, the leafly one was like, Oh, it's awesome. That one was a good one. Like, she you could tell she thoroughly just had a wonderful time.

But I think The most consistent theme with moms specifically is finding community and your retreats skip right into the instant friends piece and the camaraderie, which is the hardest part. I feel like making mom friends specifically is like dating again. And like, do I give them my number? Do I, do I tell them I use cannabis?

Yes. Which is the hardest part and just like getting comfortable with someone is the hardest part and I'm so excited to get comfortable with you today, Holly. Tell us about your retreats. Tell us what they do and who they're for. Yeah. So the retreats. started, um, last year. I, I think like probably three weeks from now was when I first launched it.

Um, it came out of this idea that I was personally looking for a retreat where I felt like I was part of a community that had the element of like that soul therapy of like tarot reading and, um, Sound bath and yoga, a beautiful location, um, with like, uh, you know, definitely outdoor activities, sprinkling, like, cannabis, almost to, like, enhance the experience.

I realized there was nothing out there like that, and I'm like, you know what, I think I'm gonna do it. Um, like my main focus, I'm a mom, a mom of a teenager. I'm like almost at the finish line with high school. Um, my main focus was definitely moms. Um, but also like women of 35 plus. I think it's harder, as we were talking about earlier, to, you know, find friends.

after a certain point. Um, and so, yeah, it's been such an amazing experience. Uh, with the retreats and kind of like what people are getting out of it. Yeah. Getting those, those friends, having that common baseline, knowing that you're going in there with people that are like minded like yourself. And I love the woo woo aspect of everything.

I feel like I'm a pretty woo woo person myself. Like, I love my cold plunge. I love my infrared sauna and anything holistic I can do to, like you said, enhance what the cannabis is doing because they all kind of. Play a role with each other, whether it's stress or hormones or just sleep recovery, how you move throughout your day.

Why do you feel like the WOOWOO is so important with the cannabis? Well, or the cannabis important with the woowoo? Well, the woowoo, I mean, at the end of the day, it's about self-care. So even the coal plunge that we do, it is definitely something that is attainable at home. Um, Or hiking, or journaling, or, uh, coloring.

Like, these are all woo woo things that we can do to bring us closer to ourselves. To really, um, you know, get a sense of relaxation, calm, a better understanding of ourselves. And then the cannabis... just puts us in a space for us to do that. And so definitely when, when we were planning it, that was like, I mean, the food location and the woo were like the most important things, obviously cannabis too, but like those three things I had to knock it out of the park.

Cause that's what I would want, you know? Yeah. Because it's all about. Relaxing. Yes. And what, what are other, the key components that you will find at the retreats? Friendship. Relaxation. Self care. Yeah. And, you know, I feel like that people, I hate to use this slogan, but like do the work, right? That go to the woo woo, all the woo woo things.

I think they leave. With a better understanding about themselves, I feel like, you know, we were talking about one of the reviews that we received from the last one, um, and the journalist actually reached out to me in a private message and said this was like one of the highlights that I had in 2023, was going to this retreat.

Um, and I was just like, oh, because I know she goes to a ton of, she's invited to like everything and the fact that our retreat moved her is like everything for me. Um, one of the other things that I've really loved seeing wasn't intent, an intention was the multi generational. So we have a lot of mom and daughters.

I love that. Oh my gosh. It's so awesome. Um, And we have a lot of like sisters. Um, and I remember like the, one of the mother daughters, the mom told us she was probably around 65 and she said like, you girls are never going to forget this, like cherish this weekend. Um, yeah, it was just. It's such a cool experience.

I think doing the work is such an important, I know you said you don't like saying it, but it kind of goes hand in hand with cannabis because it forces you to do the work. When you're using cannabis with intention, now I know that you got your start with cannabis as a younger teenager, kind of like I did.

And then it, it changes as you get older and you put different intentions when, when did doing the work. Not first start with you with cannabis because I'm, I don't know what your journey with cannabis has been through motherhood, but did you have, like, can I ask if you had like a postpartum period that was rough, like, like, as moms were, I feel like we're constantly doing the work and that work changes and cannabis definitely helps that, but as a mom doing the work, right.

Yeah. And utilizing cannabis, like how did that journey, how did that journey go for you? So it started, um, I think in about 2008, 2018, right when the, uh, farm bill happened. I was recently divorced, single mom in like an affluent neighborhood, trying to like make all the things happen for my child. Who is on the spectrum?

So that's right there is like a lot a lot of pressure and yeah, and so I was in a um like a like c level type of Digital marketing like before this I did. Yeah, I was like Nine to Fiverr. Uh, and I realized that like I was going down like a path of like, I don't know, like mental, mental turmoil. Um, and yeah, I took time off from work and like was going to therapy seven days a not seven days, five days a week doing all the woo, um, got on meds and then I realized like there's gotta be something better than just.

being numb. Um, and found cannabis, found some other supplements, kept the woo up. And yeah, I mean, after that experience, realizing that nine to five wasn't for me, but my calling really was to help other women who might be like going through the same things. Um, dealing with like pre menopause, menopause, like all the kind of life changes that we have, like there are ways to handle it.

And so that was my journey with cannabis. It was like helping myself and realizing the need to help other women. And so. To this day, that's like my vision with any of the businesses that I own. Yeah. I, I feel like we all have that innate, just, we have to be in this together, have to help each other, but also have to accept the help too.

And your retreats provide such an awesome opportunity for like exploration. I know I had read one of the articles, most of your retreat growers are pretty seasoned, correct? It's not. new cannabis users? It's probably 50 50. The last one, so the last one was like everybody were experienced. The two before that were not.

And so it's just, it's interesting because I am personally a microdoser. I think, yeah, I don't think enough people know about that. I think in terms of like the general population, I feel like They don't realize that you can use cannabis, you know, not just, um, medicinally versus like getting f ed up kind of thing.

Yeah. Um, and so my retreats allow people to microdose and to try different things. Maybe it's like... After they go on a hike, they're, they take something when they're, you know, before the sound bath, they take something. So they're able to try different types of products, figure out what works for them and like apply that when they go home.

Yeah. You're giving everyone tools just to build upon and work towards that, the work, all the work that we, that we hate doing, that we all hate doing. How did you start? Using cannabis in that intentional way. Were you smoking it? Were you eating it? Like, did you have a go to method that you used to, to start off and then how do you use it now in your day to day for stressors, work, all that kind of stuff?

So because of the stuff that I dealt with, I, um, back in the day I was using, uh, capsules. The nice thing with capsules, it might take long for the, um, the onset, but it lasts longer. And so for me, with like my anxiety and things that I was dealing with, I needed a, I liked the fact that I could do a, a longer onset.

Um, not like a heavy dose, but just like one that would like maintain my everyday life. As I started. Becoming more mature with my cannabis use I was like, okay I can use something in the morning to get my creative juices going I'm a big fan of like edibles whether it's like gummies seltzers. What have you like?

That's my jam. Um so I was able to take something in the morning and like have that creative and, um, you know, energy and then take something in the afternoon and then take something around happy hour and then take something, you know, in the evening before I go to sleep. So it really is, you know, all of my businesses have the word mood in it, but it really does come down to like, what kind of mood, what are we trying to, um, yeah, what kind of mood are we trying to have within that moment and what can we pair it with?

Yeah, that makes sense because depending on the type of day I've had, it changes how I want to consume it later because I usually microdose, but on those really long days, like I have a two and a half year old. And some days I just need to go to the moon at the end of the night and just relax and maybe fall asleep on the couch for 25 minutes.

But for sure, it just changes every everything. Do you, um, what kind of What kind of things do you have paired in your cannabis that you're taking? So obviously there's THC, there's CBD. Are there any other terpenes or anything else specific that you take in conjunction with that? I know you're a big fan of the 5 HTP and, you know, stuff like that.

Yeah. Yeah. I take CBN. I love CBN at night. Um, that is like. You know, a lot of, I don't like the ratios that are out there. I would rather have like 30 milligrams of CBN and one milligram of THC. Yeah. Like, and that's usually, that never happens. So I always have to like supplement my CBN at night. Yeah. I also love CBG.

Um, you know, I deal with like, like inflame, like a lot of inflammatory. And so that helps. Um, and just when I'm feeling achy, I'm just, I love CBG and CBN. I don't think, like, people don't know about it either. Well, that's, yeah, that's the thing. So CBG is more anti inflammatory, right? Right, a muscle relaxant.

And then CBN is more like sleepy time, getting relaxed. That's right. My, my new favorite one that I don't see anywhere, but I know that you had a product at one of your retreats that had it CBC. Yeah. I don't know much about it, and I don't see it very often. Do you know anything about, I just know that when I, because I track It's a mood elevator.

It's a mood elevator. Is that what it is? Yeah. Because like, I wear a whoop, and I track my sleep and my strain, and it tracks my stress levels and everything. And I know that when I take CBC either during the day or like Betty's has a gummy with CBC in it. Yeah. Yeah. Like I, my stress levels are so much lower and I just, I have not found any other products with it other than Betty's really where I live.

But I mean, the cool thing with that is you could just buy CBC. Separately and then start to like add it to whatever your current routine is But yeah, cbc is a great cannabinoid for like mood and happy and yeah, those things. Yeah, that must be why I respond to it. It just makes me Yeah, I saw it on your on your side, I was like, yeah, gosh, yes, those are those are the ones those Bettys are the ones.

For all of the knowledge that you seek and all the knowledge that you've gathered over the years, Where did, where did all of that stem from? Was that before you opened a shop? Was it after you opened a shop because you had, um, a store in Pittsburgh? I still do. Yeah. You still do. So, you know, um, I love analytics.

I'm like, you're data person. I'm a data person. Yeah. Like I, again, my previous life, that is something that I did. Um, and. I, I'm going to age myself, but I'm like a Nancy Drew. I like need to uncover all the things. And so prior to my store. I did a ton of research. I still do a ton of research. Um, it's just something like, I just, that's just the type of person I am.

Like I love, like my, now we don't use RSS feeds, but I use Flipboard. And my Flipboard is just like stuffed with What's happening in the cannabis space? Yeah Well, we kind of have to be if we want to have changes in our body or feel better Like if we're fighting postpartum or we're just having depression in general or anxiety or feeling a heaviness from a day Like the more we know about the data on our own selves the better off we can the best days every single day So it makes sense.

Like it's it's it's all about that doing the work part and it's making sure that we Are doing the work to learn ourselves. Now, when you, I know that you've helped thousands and thousands of people through your shop. What are the common ailments that people are coming to you with? Women specifically.

Yeah, well then, um. I would say anxiety, sleep, sexual dysfunction. And, um, like pre menopause, menopause symptoms. And what do you recommend for, for most of, for most of these? Is there like a start, you know, with a microdose CBD, THC, is there something different for each one? Like, is there a go to product for women in specific that you love or do you just kind of case by case kind of direct people with what they need?

Oh gosh, I hate to, cause I'm not a doctor or a pharmacist. But, I play one on TV. No, I definitely, it is very catered to the people, like, you know, some of the questions that I ask. Cause some people, when you think about, like, anxiety, is it situational? Is it all day? Like, general anxiety disorder, kind of, like, what I have, is it in the morning, is it in the evening?

Like, what's your triggers? So, when I provide somebody a recommendation, it really is, like, geared towards them. My big thing, and you know this from using is like, start small and figure out, like, wait a little bit, figure out what like the optimum dose is. Don't go out the full gates with like a massive dose because then you have those people are like, I've tried it once and I got, had a terrible reaction.

I'm never using it again. And it's like, Yeah. You probably just took too much or, you know, not in the right way or wrong strain, you know, wrong terpenes, what have you. So yeah. Yeah. Wrong. Just or being impatient or yes, you know, waiting for things to happen. Yeah. The microdose is so powerful because you're not going to go out and drink a full bottle of wine.

You're going to start with a glass. Like you got to approach the same way with cannabis. Oh my gosh, that is so true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, women like. It's just so cool when I, in terms of like the store, when I have customers who come in and they like give me, you know, like you've changed my marriage. I'm able to sleep.

I'm off prescription sleep pills. Um, you know, I wake up happy, like, that is like the most rewarding thing for me. Yeah. For sure. Oh, for sure. You, you talk about sex time. What do you recommend? Sex time. I don't know. What do you recommend for all the moms that need a little boost? Or that want to stay in it or just aren't feeling it at the end of the day.

Like, are there certain products or strains or? Yeah, I mean, Northern Lights and Pyho are definitely two strains that are, um, you know, for the sexy time. Smoke it or ingest it? Either, either or. I mean, but those two strains specifically are, yeah, sexy time. Um, I love that. I say that because that's how you put it in the, you know, you're going back and forth, you're like, but I want a little sexy time with my husband.

I was like, that is truly making me giggle right now, Holly. I love that. Sexy time. I mean, you know, like as someone who has had, Um, PTSD or has PTSD from different sexual things that have happened in her life. Cannabis was a game changer for me because I was able to lose my inhibitions, get out of my head.

And, like, truly have a full experience, um, and then, you know, eventually, almost like you're rewiring your brain each time. So does it take using it every time? Maybe. You know, again, that goes back to, like, trying things out, but, like, for sure, sexy time game changer is cannabis. Yeah. Do a lot of women come in and are comfortable enough to ask for that?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Men, women, and I think it's because I've been very vocal on my social, my blog about my own issues. Um, even locally, I think I was on a news station at one point talking about it, my poor husband. Um, but yeah, I think it's important that we are open. And, you know, I think because of that, people feel comfortable with telling me their whole, like, life story and me trying to help them the best I can.

Yeah. Do you think that vulnerability piece is essential coming to a situation like retreats and you're building community and being vulnerable? And setting that example for everyone else to be, do you feel like that's a huge part of building that community? Wow, for sure. I mean, it's definitely parlayed into that business.

I think, you know, I was scared when I first started this. Like, what if everybody's not going to get along? What if, you know, like, there's somebody that doesn't vibe with others? And we've not had that yet. And I think it's because... For sure, I set the stage, like, um, you know, even in that one review that we were talking about, the journalist was like, Holly had Birkenstocks, like, she would just look low key.

Yeah. And that's, like, who I am. I, you know, don't have, I'm just, who I am is who I am. I'm not, you know, I've, I come to the table at the retreats. just like an open book. And so I think that helps people feel comfortable because they know that's how I'm going to show up. And then again, when we're pairing, um, the cannabis and even setting the mood, uh, like this is like kind of special sauce, but like the music that I play the first night is everything's curated, but the music that I play.

Is like music that we all know prince Aretha I do it intentionally because I know people are going to be like singing because we all do that when we hear those songs Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, so I intentionally put music people are going to sing and dance to the first night and that That changes the mood because everybody's kind of like letting their guard down.

I pair. Um With in terms of cannabis, more of like a bliss kind of product. Um, 1906 new highs. They have this bliss capsules and it's, it just kind of lets people let their guard down and like it, the vulnerability is there, like it's just hilarious. I mean, people are just spilling there. Like I've dealt with this.

Oh, I've dealt with that too. Like it's. It's very cool. Have you always been this way, like, this is who I am, accept it, like, deal with it? Or is this a product of cannabis? I mean, I, I had this conversation with my husband actually the other day about the wisdom that you... Start to feel as you go through motherhood, like you go through these processes of like, what the fuck am I doing right now?

To like, yeah, okay, I think I got it. Oh shit, here's a new chapter. What do I do now? But like getting through those phases and like having this confidence and wisdom to you and you're so like sure of yourself is when it comes to like us in totality. Like that's just being a mother, but like us being comfortable with ourselves and walking to a room and being like, this is me.

Like, this is it. How did, how did you tap into that so much so to the point where you're like, I'm going to be vulnerable and loud on a news show and my blogs, and I'm going to tell people in retreats and everyone's going to hear all of me. Oh, I've always been kind of a straight shooter. Like people, I, you know, we, we, my friends and I joke, I'm definitely the one.

If you want like a hug, probably not, but if you want the truth. You come to me. Um, but I think it's just as valuable, which is just as valuable for sure. I'm just like, yeah, I don't have pretenses. I never have, but I think motherhood and specifically raising a child on the spectrum, you kind of have to have zero F's because your child.

I mean, I remember a lot of, like, scenarios where I've walked, um, I've left locations where my kid was having, like, a complete meltdown, uh, when she was younger, like, literally picking her up as she was kicking and screaming because of sensory overload. And those types of moments make you realize, like, who cares what other people are thinking?

I think as I've gotten older, I've more and I am in a secure relationship. I've been able to tap into like my feminine side more and let go of that hard side. And so that has allowed me to connect with other women. On a higher level, yeah, that's amazing. That's well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can we talk about cannabis and raising a child on the spectrum?

Like how if there's other moms listening to this that are, you know, in the same similar shoes as you have you use cannabis in certain ways? Uh, to help you through the parenting. I mean, other, other than like, well, it helps me get a better sleep at night and recover at night or like microdose during the day or a vape pen that's very well balanced and not too high in THC.

But is there anything like more specific to your journey that you found really beneficial? Not really. However, I've been able to guide parents who are using cannabis on their kids. Um, so maybe like on the flip, you know, on the flip side, like they're one of the, um, One of the fun, whatever, symptoms or, I don't know what you would call it, like a lot of kids have sleep disorders that have, uh, that are on the spectrum.

Their brains just don't turn off. Um, I had, you know, a customer, uh, like that I met through like an autism support group and her child literally was never sleeping and her child was like six years old. Like, Never slept. It was ruining their relationship, her husband, her, like the whole thing. And now her daughter, I think for about a year has been on CBN, Um, and sleeps through the night.

And so like, I might not necessarily have changed my cannabis use before because of my child being on the spectrum. I've definitely helped. People navigate cannabis for their children. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. And that goes, that goes back to the community piece. Building your community, building your tribe.

Yes. With people that can help guide you in that direction. Mhmm. You had said, um, women need fellowship, so if you can't find it, you have to make it. What advice would you give to other moms that are looking to make that community in cannabis? Because that's, that's the hard part. I feel like I say this on every single episode, but it's like, when do you announce or bring to the table that you use cannabis?

How is it going to be recepted or received? Like, how can you advise women to find that cannabis community? Because it's so important. It's so important. I find locally. It's really hard. And there's a lot of judgment. So I would say locally, meaning like your school district, um, be trepidatious with it because women can be catty and it is wild.

Like you can just be like etched out in that. Because I feel like, especially like where I live, it's definitely like a wine type of like. Let's, and like, people are getting, women are getting tore up with the whole wine thing. Um, so I think with a local, be very trepidatious with like, I don't know, think, yeah, just.

Yeah, because it goes three dates for your kids and not being, I mean. Just the judgment, and no one wants to walk around, and you're in an area where it's not accepted. I'm in an area where the state just became legal recently, so even still I'm a little cautious, but yeah, I think that's good advice though, because you just, yeah, I mean, it's so new, and I mean, how long have you been in the industry now?

When did you open up your shop? Four years. Okay. And so like, when I think about, to, to kind of add to that, like, online is a great space to, to network with moms. Yeah. Like, there were treats. One of the things, and you know, one of the things that I do is... You will rarely see people's faces and I know that's like, you have to do that with social, you have to show faces.

But I mean, I have moms that are like, I'm, you know, I'm all, they cannot, they're in the green closet and I understand. So I'm very thoughtful when it comes to not post, posting pictures of women unless they say it's okay. Some people are just like out and proud and that's, I mean. Good for them. I'm, I am. Um, I think it's gonna take time because for moms, um, especially in states that it's just becoming recreational legal because of the stereotype.

It's okay to drink wine until you pass out, but cannabis, it's like, you know. Yeah, how does, yeah, it's like, how, how do we, but that's what we're, we're doing. We're trying to bridge the gap and you're carving a true space in the industry for us. older women and moms and how, how has that journey been for you?

You're truly pioneering something that no one else is doing and you're bringing people together and you're, you're bringing the community piece, which is I mean, you're doing it in the most stellar way too. I mean, anyone can just read your reviews, but how, how has that journey been for you? Oh my gosh.

Wow. Thank you. I mean, like, I don't think of myself as a pioneer, so yeah. Um, Bethany Frankel. Oh girl, I've, I've, I've got the whole mind map of things I want to do. Um, but just, you know, need the finances for it. Uh, the community part honestly is the most rewarding part. It's the, like that over, you know, if you were to say, strip everything down, you can only keep one thing, it would be like building a community, because I, like I said, I think women need fellowship, and I think as we go through different stages, like postpartum, premenopause, menopause, I just had a baby, we need that fellowship, we need to have somebody walk through a side, a front, a walk alongside us or just hold our hand and, you know, tell us it's going to be okay.

And this is what I did. Um, Again, sprinkling that cannabis layer, uh, which really is, like, wellness, even though right now it's not considered that, you know, it's the whole stereotype, but yeah, I mean, that, oh, it's just everything, building the, The community aspect of it and I just look forward to like continuing that for sure.

Yeah, totally. You had four really successful, well three successful so far and then you have one more upcoming. Tell us about, tell us about the upcoming one. What, is it any different than the three prior other than location? Like how, how's it, how's it looking? Uh, you know, we kind of have a rhythm. Um, it's in Ellicottville, which is in western New York.

So it's right near, like, a lot of ski areas, um, a lot of hiking, a lot of outdoors, fall. In terms of, like, um, a difference is, like, our in person chef is doing, like, a chili bar, um, a lot of, like, apple pie, like, all the fall stuff. For, yeah, all the warm. Yes. Um, yeah. I mean, next year, I'll be launching the, um, retreats soon, uh, with the dates, but next year we're enhancing the retreats cause we're really looking at moon cycles.

Um, and so we'll be having some of our retreats like on a new moon, full moon and creating content or activations based on that. That you could take home and apply. So that is like what I'm really excited how we're enhancing it for next year. Yeah. Yeah. Keeping up with all the, all the woo, all the hand in hand with all the cannabis.

Yeah. Love that. What, um, what are your favorite resources? Like if someone came up to you and was like, what book can I deepen my knowledge or what website should I go to? What are your favorite go to resources? Gosh, I have all my books. Oh yeah. I like literally, I'm like, okay. Um, gosh. Oh, this is awesome.

This is my favorite part. I like, I'm like, hold on. I asked the right person. I asked the data girl. So this is perfect. Like, yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay, these two books, I don't know what the fuzzy, um, cannabis is medicine. Okay, um by Bonnie Goldstein And then the cannabis apothecary. Oh, I hate all this fuzzy by Lori Wolfe Those two are definitely ones that I like go back to and then in terms of I love Leafly for, I use it all the time.

Like, you know, I'll be like, okay, I'm dealing with this. What's a strain that I should try? Um, and I, I tell people all the time to like. Use that uh, you know as a as a guide. Um, oh my gosh I don't know. I guess those would be my those would be my three leafly and then these two books Perfect. Perfect. And where can everyone find you?

Um, I have too many frickin Let's see mood porium. So that is the store mood RX treats MoodRX treats. So that's the com. That's the um, retreat business. And then Canamoodapparel. com for the apparel. So yeah. Perfect. And that, all the social is on the website. Okay. Perfect. I'll link them all in the show notes.

And then I'm going to, I'm going to add to your suggestion box. I don't remember which article it was, but you were talking about Olympics, Weed Olympics. At, at your, at one of your retreats and I'm all in, tell me, tell me when to sign up. I am all in. Can you imagine? Oh my gosh, that was the, so that was the last location.

Again, when I am doing the retreats, I let the owners know. Um, what we're doing, the whole thing, and the owner, the house was huge, it had a ton of different outdoor things, and he was like, oh, this is what you should do, color wars, I mean he literally gave, and when we got there, and this normally doesn't happen, he was there, he was so excited to meet my team and I, and he was just like, oh yeah, you could do this, like, okay, but yeah, Weed Olympics.

I know a handful of people that I'd bring with me too because we are all very competitive. I wonder if cannabis would make me less competitive though, or would it make me more competitive? I feel like it would just depend on the strain, right? Because if you got one that was like in the zone, you would be straight.

I know, yeah, everyone, I would, everyone would, it just would be, I would just, I just can keep running. There was, there was one time, so I ran track in college and there was one time that I smoked before a practice. And I could not feel my lungs in the best way. And I was like PR ing. on every single lap we were doing in our stuff.

So I don't know, there might be something to it. Bring back all these mom athletes that have been retired for 10, 20, 30 years and bring us back. I love that. I'll have to like, look into that when I, when we do play in the Olympics. Okay, what strains are we getting? I know. I'm going to need metals. Yes. Oh, yes.

T shirts. T shirts. Sashes. Like hurdles with like the labels on it. Bandanas, sweat bandanas, all the things. Yes. All of it. Yeah. Yes. We will have to continue this conversation. Coming to, to a location near you. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I could, I could go on with that, but yeah, that's my suggestion tip for your suggestion Thank you.

I appreciate it. Well, Holly, this has been so much fun. I appreciate all of your insight and your vulnerability and. Thank you for providing an opportunity for moms like me or moms that are starting out that have no idea where to start, where to go, and how to even just make friends and not feel so lonely.

So well, thanks for having this podcast. You know, I mean that you're definitely a pioneer and opening having this podcast to allow other moms to really talk about. You know, their experiences, so. It's been, it's been fun. Selfishly, I learned so much from women like you, so I really, really appreciate your time and, yeah, thank you so much.

Thank you! Yeah, this is, this is awesome. I'm so glad you reached out to me because it was, uh, It was a season of summer, and I'm ready to be back and keep talking to people because I'm getting such good response and feedback and just random messages of women who are like, I so needed this. And I just appreciate really wonderful guests like you.